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Initiate Independent workflow from existing workfl

saumil

Hi,
I want to initiate the independent workflow from my running workflow.
I want to pass some parameter as well.
How to do it?

Saumil Shah
Technical Associate
Mahindra and British Telecom
+0919819890479

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gzevin

RTFM about nested workflows

this might help

Greg Zevin, Ph.D. Comp. Sc.
Independent Interwoven Consultant/Architect
Sydney, AU

saumil

Hi,
sorry but can you expand the term RTFM .

Saumil Shah
Technical Associate
Mahindra and British Telecom
+0919819890479

gzevin

you made my day... after having bug after bug in 6.1 at least something had to illuminate my night

use google to get the answer

Greg Zevin, Ph.D. Comp. Sc.
Independent Interwoven Consultant/Architect
Sydney, AU

Migrateduser

This thread made me smile, too... but, I was curious. So, I went on Google and queried RTFM. The #1 hit was http://www.rtfm.com, which apparently is a technical consulting company with one of the crappiest web sites I've ever seen.

Isn't it funny how poetic life is sometimes?

Dave

Migrateduser

Given that he said *independent*, I'm thinking that nested is not the best way to go. Sounds more like a case to use an external task to setup a jobspec and instantiate it with iwjobc -i. Of course, your basic final conclusion is still valid if he chooses to go that way.

gzevin

could be, you are right..

then, RTFM about iwjobc

Greg Zevin, Ph.D. Comp. Sc.
Independent Interwoven Consultant/Architect
Sydney, AU

Migrateduser

Read The F***ing Manual

If more people just simply had the forethought to RTFM before posting, there would be thousands less frivolous posts in DevNet. But then what would ghoti do all day? Smiley Happy

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

Migrateduser

Aww, man... well now that you spelled it out, where does Google come in? And more importantly, what role will ghoti play in this thread?

I thought we were encouraging him/her not only to RTFM on what nested workflows are but also to RTFM on what RTFM stands for.

So much for irony :-)

Dave

nipper

but I cannot beleive there is a long RTFM thread & I have not been involved.

I guess I should get to work earlier.

Yea, like that is gonna happen.

Migrateduser

We East Coasters get started early! I've been wondering where you were -- it seemed strange to have this conversation without your.... input.

saumil

Hi,
Really looking nice people are having grt. knowledge abt. RTFM.
but my question is about Independent Workflow.
I am repeating again, I want to execute the .wft file from Running Workflow.
Here I am saying .wft file bcoz, i am also using that as Independent Workflow.

Saumil Shah
Technical Associate
Mahindra and British Telecom
+0919819890479

jbonifaci

The main reason this subject has focused on telling you to RTFM is because you obviously haven't. There were two suggestions for you as to what to RTFM about, I suggest you follow their suggestions and come back with any specific questions after RTFM. We're glad to help out, but you need put in some effort as well.

Migrateduser

A quote from Smitty, circa 2004 (in other words, just page up to see what we're all talking about):

In reply to:

Read The F***ing Manual

Dave

Adam Stoller

If more people just simply had the forethought to RTFM before posting, there would be thousands less frivolous posts in DevNet. But then what would ghoti do all day? Smiley Happy

This - coming from Smitty? The man who single-handedly blasts IWOV for poor documentation (with the exception of OD I believe)? Amazing!

What would I do if people RTFM'd and got most of their answers that way? The same thing others out here do - pounce on the more interesting queries that also get posted - but would be easier to concentrate on because there would be fewer RTFM-style queries to read through.

--fish
Senior Consultant, Quotient Inc.
http://www.quotient-inc.com

Migrateduser

You raise a good point - I am a walking contradiction. I actually thought about that before I made that statement, but as much as the Documentation sucks (don't you agree?), there are still so many questions that are so basic that they are actually covered in the documentation - or your basic perl manual - or a simple Google search.

I think so much has to do with people needing jobs so desperately that they'll claim to be an expert in TeamSite or Perl just to land a job and once they get there are completely overwhelmed. Then they come to a place like this for someone to do that job for them - a job they had no right taking from an actual competent person. I wonder how many of these people work for outsource companies.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

Migrateduser

This is actually a tough situation. As little as I want to help someone who doesn't even try to help themselves, I think about the FM and would ask where in the FM this information would be? The workflow manual is so bad - the worst of them all I think it's safe to say, that I don't think this information would be in there. There's nothing useful in the FM about nested workflow. There's nothing useful in the FM about CLT options and how to use them. There's nothing useful in the FM about the perl modules.

There definitely is useful information in various DevNet posts about all of these things, though. So rather than telling this guy to RTFM, I think a more useful response would be SFDN, where the S stands for "search" and you can guess the rest.

Workflow doesn't need to be so hard. It wouldn't be if there was suitable documentation.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

NathansDIS

As someone who is a relative newbie IW administrator, and has yet to learn about creating workflows and templates, is the Developer Series training recommended? Has anyone taken this training that might be able to speak to its value? What is the best resource to learn about wft and tpl?

nipper

Definately take the WF course. THough it will probably tell you to use WFB (laugh).
Also how well do you know Perl and XML ? Learn them, if you know thse then
picking up WF is easy.

HTH

Andy

Migrateduser

Hopefully someone who has taken IW training can speak to the value of IW training - getting IW's opinion would be a bit biased. I'm sure that the training has changed over the years, but we did happen to get a bootleg copy of the documentation for an Advanced Workflow course IW offered a few years ago. I'll tell you that the training documentation was far better than the Workflow Manual as far as how detailed it gets about things. I don't know if they still offer that course, but based on the training doc, I would say it's probably worthwhile. But expensive.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

Migrateduser

picking up WF is easy

That's a bit of a simplification. Knowing perl and XML certainly makes basic workflow easier to pick up, but if you want to do anything remotely useful, workflow is never all that easy. Although I'd rather be working on workflow than templating - that templating stuff must require advanced calculus and imaginary numbers to make work based on the number of DevNet posts that forum gets.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

NathansDIS

I know perl and xml fairly well; if I didn't I probably wouldn't have got this job. ;D Do people often use WFB to create the initial skeleton of the workflow and then go into the generated code to manually flesh out the details?

Migrateduser

No!!! Let me make that clearer....NO!!!

Never ever ever use WFB. You've been warned.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

nipper

WFB is like training wheels on your bike. DId you use them when you were 6 ? Yes.
Do you start off with them every time you ride ? Well Smitty might, but most people
don't.

You will be better served by taking an existing (or multiple existing) WFTs and change
them.

HTH

Andy

Migrateduser

Isn't it valid to say, though, that when you take training wheels off of your bike, your bike is now a true bike - but when you try and manipulate a WFB built workflow template, there's still a bunch of extra **** you have to deal with from WFB? I thought WFB adds stuff you wouldn't normally put in there. Not true?

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com