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TeamSite - downloading content?

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We are in the process of upgrading from TS 5.0.1 to 6.5. The content in the old system is such that it cannot in any efficent way be migrated to the new system. I have heard that content can be downloaded directly from our Internet site but cannot find documentation regarding the procedure. Is it really possible or was I given false information? If it is indeed possible, has anyone done this before?

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msrinivas

There are many ways to do it. I am not sure how you determined that there is no good way. I just wrapped up a 4.5 to 6.5 migration with a corrupt backing store.

You might be able to start it from scratch as described from the Internet site but then you would have to redo your DCTs and TPLs etc also from scratch.

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Migrateduser

I came in the middle of this project and am learning as I go. The person I replaced left no notes whatsoever so I'm still trying to get a handle on the whole thing.

Just got a call from IW Support. They said I can simply copy the contents of the old system's Y:\ to the new system's Y:\.

msrinivas

I came in the middle of this project and am learning as I go. The person I replaced left no notes whatsoever so I'm still trying to get a handle on the whole thing.

Just got a call from IW Support. They said I can simply copy the contents of the old system's Y:\ to the new system's Y:\.

Ouch! Be careful doing that. I wouldnt suggest it without looking at what the actual problem with the older content is.

Has the earlier person done a iwfsck and tried iwmigrate before going this route?

Migrateduser

I don't know if she ran ANY of the iw utils. I was told that she was able to move old content without converting it.

I'm making back-ups of the old and new Y:\'s just in case.

webReport.txt

Migrateduser

Here is a description of the problem and the fix I entered into our company's Help Desk tracking system:

We are currently using TeamSite 5.0.1 SP1. As you know we are upgrading to 6.5 SP6. The rub lies in the fact that 5.0.1 content cannot simply be copied to the 6.5 system. A conversion process has to be done before the content can be migrated. According to Interwoven Support we will have to upgrade the old system to 5.5.2 SP6 before we can convert and migrate the content store to the new server/system. In order to do this:
* SP2 will need to be applied to 5.0.1
* Upgrade to 5.5.2 - which includes converting the content store.
** From Interwoven Support site;
***"Important! Please Read
***An upgrade to TeamSite 5.5.2 involves converting your existing content ***store. A development machine is required to drive the conversion of the ***content store. Your production server remains uninterrupted during this ***upgrade process.
***After you have completed the content store (backing store) conversion ***and performed appropriate test, quality assurance and user acceptance ***testing you will be ready to migrate TeamSite 5.5.2 to the production ***server. "
* Apply necessary services packs for 5.5.2
* Convert content store to 6.5 format
* Migrate content store to 6.5

nipper

You certainly should tell you boss to get a consultant in for a couple weeks who has done this. It is not trivial.

You certainly do not want to go through the upgrade to 5.5 to 5.5.2 SP6 to whatever to another whatever.

The best approach is to start grabbing editions, import them into new TS and submit direct them. Go to next edition.

That approach has certain issues, if you grab a bunch of editions, you will replicate assets, the time and disk will grow dramatically. If you grab one or 2 editions, no big deal.

The larger issue is that you are using the same branching structure that was implemented in 2001. That *might* be OK, but the odds are no.

msrinivas

That seems accurate. But you dont have to upgrade to 5.5.2 and then to 6.5. I just did a custom migration from 4.5 to 6.5 direct using some custom scripts.

The logic behind that is that you take a base edition and then copies over deltas for all the later editions using iwcmp. During this process you would have to get and set EAs for files and also do submit and publish. Once you are done with migrating all editions then a final edition in the current system need to be cut and be published in the new system. You can create the required workareas on the new system based on that last edition published.

HTH

Migrateduser

I see. I'll give it a go. Thanks.

Adam Stoller

You certainly should tell you boss to get a consultant in for a couple weeks who has done this. It is not trivial.

You certainly do not want to go through the upgrade to 5.5 to 5.5.2 SP6 to whatever to another whatever.

The best approach is to start grabbing editions, import them into new TS and submit direct them. Go to next edition.

That approach has certain issues, if you grab a bunch of editions, you will replicate assets, the time and disk will grow dramatically. If you grab one or 2 editions, no big deal.

The larger issue is that you are using the same branching structure that was implemented in 2001. That *might* be OK, but the odds are no.

I think a lot of it depends on what the intended results are.

If you want to preserve all the historical information - upgrades and conversions are your best bet (as stated, non-trivial, but generally "complete").

If you only need to preserve a little (or no) history - taking a cut from an edition and re-setting all the EAs and such is a reasonable approach.

Regardless though:

version(s).

Migrateduser

Anyone know how much it costs to have an Interwoven consultant on-site for 1 day?

msrinivas

A lot of money Smiley Wink

I am not sure what you are going to get accomplished in a day anyway. A typical upgrade project is at least 3-4 weeks.

nipper

Where are you located ? For a 1 day project getting a top notch IW consultant will be about $2000 plus travel. I would not touch a 1 day gig for less than that. I do not think IWOV would take a 1 day project, but maybe.

Migrateduser

I'm in the wrong line of work ($!).

Migrateduser

My company is located in Alabama. And before you get have any false ideas I am NOT a redneck. Smiley Happy

msrinivas

If you can ping me offline I can help you get in touch with the right people to take it further.

Migrateduser

I have made the executive decision not to upgrade. We will start "fresh" using 6.5. I found out that there aren't enough templates to preserve.

I have TeamSite and OpenDeploy installed on a new server.

I would think a consultant worth his/her salt (very expensive salt from the looks of it) could configure the cfg and xml files and make sure everything is pointing to the proper places.

I simply don't have time to try and wade through all of the finer details due to pressure from our Marketing department.

nipper

I have made the executive decision not to upgrade. We will start "fresh" using 6.5. I found out that there aren't enough templates to preserve.

I have TeamSite and OpenDeploy installed on a new server.
I would think a consultant worth his/her salt (very expensive salt from the looks of it) could configure the cfg and xml files and make sure everything is pointing to the proper places.

I simply don't have time to try and wade through all of the finer details due to pressure from our Marketing department.

Good plan. I wrote a script a loooong time ago to convert the OD scripts to the new form. I have no idea where it is, though I think there was something floating on devnet that could help.

This is a reasonable approach, but if you do get a consultant in, have him/her look into the branching structure. IMHO, that is going to be one thing you should really research while you are making this change. I have seen plenty of bad branching structures in my day and you are stuck after that. So now is the time to make a change if one needs making.

HTH & good luck

Andy