teamsite with linux

dear all
I want to know. Teamsite can use with LINUK ?
I want to know because myserver is LINUX.and I want to use TS.
thank you

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SamD

I have the same question. Is there a version of Teamsite that is supported on RedHat Enterprise Linux 4 ? What about LiveSite ?

Migrateduser

TeamSite 6.1 supports REH version 3 not sure about REH version 4.

IwovHeather

Hi,

Currently, LiveSite is not available on the Linux platform, but is available on Windows and Solaris. TeamSite 6.1 is the latest version compatible with Linux. There are also plans to release a new version of TeamSite for Linux.

Thanks,
Heather

I have the same question. Is there a version of Teamsite that is supported on RedHat Enterprise Linux 4 ? What about LiveSite ?

SamD

Thanks for the response. Any plans for releasing Livesite on Linux. Currently we are deploying it on solaris but interested in moving to Linux.

Similarly, any timeframe for Teamsite 6.5.x to be available on Linux ?

Adam Stoller

Thanks for the response. Any plans for releasing Livesite on Linux. Currently we are deploying it on solaris but interested in moving to Linux.

Similarly, any timeframe for Teamsite 6.5.x to be available on Linux ?

My understanding, though not necessarilly and "official" statement is that TeamSite 6.7.1 is supposed to be officially supported on Linux - however, even if so, I'm not sure if that's going to be as part of the initial release or part of a subsequent follow-on release.

Heather? Sunil? any official statements to make here?

(I know a customer interested in moving from Solaris... and I think they'd rather use Linux than Windows...)

gzevin

(I know a customer interested in moving from Solaris... and I think they'd rather use Linux than Windows...)

Adam, do you know what hardware platform the customer will be moving to? Any plans to move to 64-bit Linux?

Adam Stoller

Adam, do you know what hardware platform the customer will be moving to? Any plans to move to 64-bit Linux?

No idea - I imagine the choice of 32-bit vs. 64-bit may have to wait until we know what Interwoven will be officially supporting with the 6.7.1 release - beyond that I have no details at this time - just hunches and/or suppositions.

gzevin

No idea - I imagine the choice of 32-bit vs. 64-bit may have to wait until we know what Interwoven will be officially supporting with the 6.7.1 release - beyond that I have no details at this time - just hunches and/or suppositions.

I kind of *have idea* of what will be supported, so I would urge your client to know what platform they will need.

Because, (AFAIK, from our internet team), one cannot possibly buy a 32 bit server for Linux, all come in 64 flavor. 64-bit Linux happily runs 32-bit 'bubbles' with approriate application. The question is whether IWOV will support such a setting. If your are interested, you can take the conversation offline.

dkuntze

I heard that 6.7.1 was the version that will (re)support linux. This is also the version that will integrate the bpml workflow tool. This release isn't in beta yet, as far as I can tell. I had chance to play around with the new wft builder and it wasn't ready for primetime about a month ago.

!!SPECULATION ALERT!!
I heard that IW is/was planning on merging the solaris/windows codebase together since they were managed separately for the most part. I could imagine that this could take some significant testing time... I'm not sure if its for the next release or 7.0.
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Of course this could all be cleared up with a post from Sunil and his team.

Migrateduser

RedHat AS/ES 4 (x86 intel) will be supported for TS 6.7.1. Currently, There are no plans for Linux on x64 (AMD-Opteron), although we are monitoring demand. As to LiveSite on Linux, LiveSite next release 3.0 that is being targeted for Q4 this year will support TS 6.7.1 and hopefully we can cover Linux support as well.

Thanks,

Meili Zhong

Sr. Product Manager
Interwoven

gzevin

RedHat AS/ES 4 (x86 intel) will be supported for TS 6.7.1. Currently, There are no plans for Linux on x64 (AMD-Opteron), although we are monitoring demand. As to LiveSite on Linux, LiveSite next release 3.0 that is being targeted for Q4 this year will support TS 6.7.1 and hopefully we can cover Linux support as well.

Thanks,

Meili Zhong

Sr. Product Manager
Interwoven

Meili,

I have just checked high-end servers, starting from HP - they sell Xeon-based servers. Xeon is a 64-bit processor.

Are you saying that a customer who wants to run Linux, will buy a high-end 64-bit server and will run a 32-bit Linux on it?

I am just trying see whether you guys do not see what's coming, or simply are ignoring it?

mike_jaixen

Are you saying that a customer who wants to run Linux, will buy a high-end 64-bit server and will run a 32-bit Linux on it?

I am just trying see whether you guys do not see what's coming, or simply are ignoring it?

Anybody migrating to Linux will likely be using new hardware; "legacy" implementations probably aren't an issue here.

However, my guess is Interwoven is simply trying to maintain consistency across UNIX flavors (i.e. Solaris) where they are still running 32-bit.

jed

Are you saying that a customer who wants to run Linux, will buy a high-end 64-bit server and will run a 32-bit Linux on it?

I am just trying see whether you guys do not see what's coming, or simply are ignoring it?

Solaris has had 64 bit support for a very long time (solaris 7?), yet TeamSite is still only 32 bit. I doubt that will change anytime soon.

In reality, switching an app to 64 bit does not do all that much. While an app can allocate more memory, apps do not magically speed up. It would be interesting to know if TeamSite would benefit from being able to allocate and extra gig or two or ten of memory for caching.

Adam Stoller

Solaris has had 64 bit support for a very long time (solaris 7?), yet TeamSite is still only 32 bit. I doubt that will change anytime soon.

In reality, switching an app to 64 bit does not do all that much. While an app can allocate more memory, apps do not magically speed up. It would be interesting to know if TeamSite would benefit from being able to allocate and extra gig or two or ten of memory for caching.

As I recall - it is possible to run 32-bit apps on 64-bit systems but not vice-versa - right?

If so - then staying with 32-bit apps is probably more efficient for Interwoven as it means they can run on more systems. Coding/building for both 32-bit and 64-bit would mean additional rows/columns to the QA-matrix and could considerably slow-down the release cycle (a guess on my part).

It doesn't mean they shouldn't make 64-bit apps available - just a likely defense against them doing so in the very-near future (eventually all hardware will probably be 64-bit and then we'll be talking about 64-bit vs. 128-bit apps ;-)

gzevin

Solaris has had 64 bit support for a very long time (solaris 7?), yet TeamSite is still only 32 bit. I doubt that will change anytime soon.

exactly. but IWOV does support that 32-bit 'bubble' running in 64-bit OS (Solaris). But they are saying that such a thing will not be supported in Linux environment, at least for now.

nipper

exactly. but IWOV does support that 32-bit 'bubble' running in 64-bit OS (Solaris). But they are saying that such a thing will not be supported in Linux environment, at least for now.

While a 32 bit application will run on a 64 bit CPU, I highly doubt a 32 device driver will run on a 64 Bit CPU. Thus IW had to expend engineering resources to make it work (plus a great deal of QA). So with Linux, they need to decide if/when they want to do it.

Now I do agree with the premise, that anyone buying a Linux server may very well want to use a 64 bit processor. But the point is this is not a trivial app to convert.

Andy

gzevin

While a 32 bit application will run on a 64 bit CPU, I highly doubt a 32 device driver will run on a 64 Bit CPU. Thus IW had to expend engineering resources to make it work (plus a great deal of QA). So with Linux, they need to decide if/when they want to do it.

Now I do agree with the premise, that anyone buying a Linux server may very well want to use a 64 bit processor. But the point is this is not a trivial app to convert.

Andy

my understanding is that the drivers will seamleslly work. however, in order to support this, it requires some QA, etc.

what I am trying to say is that IWOV is better to really find out what their customers are going to run if they choose to opt for Intel/AMD based servers, running Linux. My feeling is that it will be 64-bit OS. So, an exercise, similar to one for 64-bit Solaris, is inevitable, IMO.

smenon

There were a number of speculations being made as part of this thread and I wanted to step in and officially comment on it.. Smiley Happy

The Windows and Solaris code base has always been the same (with some minor variations for some of the low level code (C++ headers etc).. In the past, the AIX version of TeamSite and the Linux version of TeamSite on TS 6.1, have been explicit ports of this code base where we branched off the code and compiled and tested this branched off code base. Since then we have announced the EOL for our AIX version and have decided to roll-in the Linux version as a first tier platform - starting with the TS 6.7.1 version.

Coming to the point about Linux on 64-bit vs. 32-bit. It is not that we are ignorant of the fact that the market is going to head down that path. When we start seeing that in the form of demand from our customers or prospects, we will certainly support it. At this time, I am haven't seen a lot of requests for it (does not mean that there aren't customers expecting it). I am tracking this request through a Feature Request Number 67017. Please do add your customers to this feature request so that I can track demand. Obviously the more customers that are attached to this request, the stronger my case for supporting it.

Regarding making TeamSite a native 64-bit app, as Jed pointed out, the cost of conversion is not trivial and the benefits you get through that conversion are not as high. While we can allocate more memory per process etc, that doesn't necessarily buy you a lot. The primary use of memory in the TeamSite server is to cache the internal metadata that is read from our backing store (persistent storage). The performance benefits you get from this cache start to decrease once you get past the 1GB memory allocation. The TeamSite server should not require more than the 2GB of memory to run efficiently.

I hope this addresses most of the questions in this thread.

gzevin

Sunil,

a very helpful and comprehensive reply, as usual.

my point is that many customers might not be aware of the situation in this Linux server market, and they are just presume that you know about it. I have been asking a few clients of IWOV yesterday, and got an understanding, that people do presume that X86-based servers run a 64-bit OS. I just simply do not want you guys to make an effort for a release that would not be used that widely or that might cause a serious irritation among the customers.

Having said that, I guess that you are right that the customers will need to add themselves to the FR.. perhaps IWOV should proactively canvass this...

Migrateduser

my point is that many customers might not be aware of the situation in this Linux server market, and they are just presume that you know about it. I have been asking a few clients of IWOV yesterday, and got an understanding, that people do presume that X86-based servers run a 64-bit OS. I just simply do not want you guys to make an effort for a release that would not be used that widely or that might cause a serious irritation among the customers.

I think you're so right Greg. If you check the current Linux TS 6.1 compatibility chart on Interwoven Support you find that they mention it supports Red Hat Enterprise Edition ES 3.0…. that’s all IWOV says. They don’t say 32bit or 64bit on the Linux TS 6.1 compatibility chart. So it seems the compatibility chart is open to interpretation and myself like many other people would presume that running a 32bit binary on a 64bit OS should be fine. As would normally be the case.

https://support.interwoven.com/resources/products/compatibility/teamsite_Linux.asp (if you have a support login)

We run other 32bit corporate apps on a Linux 64bit OS and we never have issues with that. Why is IWOV only saying they will only support TS on a 32bit linux OS….. last time I checked the HP website they didn’t have any 32bit server hardware options available….

gzevin

We run other 32bit corporate apps on a Linux 64bit OS and we never have issues with that. Why is IWOV only saying they will only support TS on a 32bit linux OS….. last time I checked the HP website they didn’t have any 32bit server hardware options available….

anb excellent post, and is very timely, actually.

my client is now facing a very tough decision. One of which might me abandoning TeamSite altogether. Just because IWOV does not have enough customers that 'asked' for a 64-bit support.

Please - anybody who reads this, and who are going to consider running TeamSite on Linux - do add your name against the list of customers who will need such support. Somehow Interwoven is not proactive, and shows just a reactive approach.

I spoke to Sunil just a few days ago, and it looks like only my client is in need of 64-bit Linux.

I am very curious as to what IWOV will do, when the clients will go out to buy servers to run Linux, will be able to buy only 64-bit hardware, only to find that IWOV will not support this.

A positive note - I am very impressed by TeamSite 6.7.1 beta performance on Linux. I ran it under VM Ware, and still liked it very much.