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Dot Net plus TS Job requirement ?

MikeMiracle

Below is a JD, I have come across recently. I am a certified TS Developer and Admin (2 Certs).I couldn't make the cut for this job, as i have zero .net exp . I have 5 years of IT Exp. Initial 3 years are in portals with plain J2ee. Rest is in IWOV TS , which includes the certifications and was fortunate to work with excellent implementations by some of the senior guys in this forum.

But is the below JD realistic ? Why TS engineer is supposed to know .NET to the extent mentioned in the JD ? Seems some poor chap get trapped by IWOV marketing :-) Or is this a very bad architecture ? Or are they dealing with latest LS with dot net support? As the JD doesn't talk about the version, I am not sure about it.It can be 6.7.2 with site publisher, as this is pertaining to a recent post. But nowhere either SitePublisher or LiveSite is mentioned. Can anybody shed some light ?

* Minimum 5 years experience in .NET based projects.
* At least 3 to 5 years development experience in web content management system called Interwoven TeamSite.
* Excellent skills in System Analysis & Design.
* VB.NET, ADO.NET, and Crystal Report skills for around 4 to 5 years
* Experience in utilising SQL Server 2000 for around 4 to 5 years
* Strong understanding in Visual studio 2005 and .NET framework 2.0.
* Proven experience in ASP .NET and WinForms based projects.
* Skills in XML, XSL, CSS, XSD’s, and Visual SourceSafe
* Writing Java script in .NET application.
* Proven experience in editing and structuring documents so it is suitable for web delivery.
* Demonstrated experience in fast turnaround of high volume, text heavy content to web.
* Great understanding of web usability and accessibility principles
* Web interface expertise to online application projects
* Proven experience in website administration.
* Experience in utilising the Adobe Acrobat to create PDFs and optimising images and documents for delivery via the web

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Faizi

Below is a JD, I have come across recently. I am a certified TS Developer and Admin (2 Certs).I couldn't make the cut for this job, as i have zero .net exp . I have 5 years of IT Exp. Initial 3 years are in portals with plain J2ee. Rest is in IWOV TS , which includes the certifications and was fortunate to work with excellent implementations by some of the senior guys in this forum.

But is the below JD realistic ? Why TS engineer is supposed to know .NET to the extent mentioned in the JD ? Seems some poor chap get trapped by IWOV marketing :-) Or is this a very bad architecture ? Or are they dealing with latest LS with dot net support? As the JD doesn't talk about the version, I am not sure about it.It can be 6.7.2 with site publisher, as this is pertaining to a recent post. But nowhere either SitePublisher or LiveSite is mentioned. Can anybody shed some light ?

* Minimum 5 years experience in .NET based projects.
* At least 3 to 5 years development experience in web content management system called Interwoven TeamSite.
* Excellent skills in System Analysis & Design.
* VB.NET, ADO.NET, and Crystal Report skills for around 4 to 5 years
* Experience in utilising SQL Server 2000 for around 4 to 5 years
* Strong understanding in Visual studio 2005 and .NET framework 2.0.
* Proven experience in ASP .NET and WinForms based projects.
* Skills in XML, XSL, CSS, XSD’s, and Visual SourceSafe
* Writing Java script in .NET application.
* Proven experience in editing and structuring documents so it is suitable for web delivery.
* Demonstrated experience in fast turnaround of high volume, text heavy content to web.
* Great understanding of web usability and accessibility principles
* Web interface expertise to online application projects
* Proven experience in website administration.
* Experience in utilising the Adobe Acrobat to create PDFs and optimising images and documents for delivery via the web

According to JD, they need a person who is basically from .Net platform and also have Interwoven experience.
I know various people who are from .Net platform and also have expertise in Interwoven. If you look apart from LiveSite there is no platform barrier. Template (.tpl) used for generating output files irrespective of language.
Now LiveSite offers support for .Net too. But as per JD it does not look related to new LiveSite offer.

MikeMiracle

Hi Faizy, Thanks for your reply . Yea , its theoretically possible to create any type of o/p (html,xml,jsp,asp ... )from FormsPublisher .

But is it a good practice to create asp/jsp directly ? Is it a good practise to leave the duty of generating the o/p file to the Web(Java/.net) Team? At least in bigger organizations?For example FormsPublisher creates an xml file , which will be processed by the presentation tier logic of the website ?

So to me , their requirement looks slightly flawed.What you say ? Can somebody else also contribute ?

Faizi

Hi Mike,
Its not theoretically, its implementation.

But yes i am agree with you, it should not be a core development. This scenario can be fit where a site is already developed by core development team and then it is going to content managed.

As per above JD, Yes it is not accurate job description as per Interwoven concern. There is not much description related to Interwoven technology.

nipper

Yea I have DotNet with TeamSite. IMHO, it should be a TS guy with DN experience (opposite of what is listed). However I have no idea what the experience of the team is. Do they have a TS guy already and then want another to supplement ? Is it possible they are going to use the new DN extensions to LS/SP ?

To your question of generating DN directly from TS. You can. No problem, Been there, done that. In reality you are generating static content with dynamic infrastructure. Is it better to create XML files to be read by ASPX ? Or insert in a DB ? Certainly. You can do all of the ablove.

Expecting your FT TS geek to be writing a bunch of DM code has some serious misset expectations. I suspect the people who are doing this project know little to nothing about TS.

Andy

Migrateduser

Isn't it possible that they are looking for a pure web developer who is familiar with using TeamSite as an end user, only they just worded it poorly? Certainly the job description is focused on someone who would primarily be a web developer. That's how I read it anyway. I saw a bunch of job descriptions like that when I was looking, only they were mostly geared toward Java developers, but it always sounded to me like they were looking for web developers who have used TeamSite. Not TeamSite developers.

I could be wrong, but at least I got another post out of it.

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MikeMiracle

Thanks Faizy , Andy and Dave for your comments. I think in Andy's lines. May be Dave is also right.They actually seek an experienced DN + TS developer. May be they are using TS as a repository only? Then why they need 5 years of TS experience?

Out of curiosity , i searched a few leading job portals, and found another gem :-). This one with J2ee.

Lead Java Developer with Teamsite. Industry leading business requires a lead Java developer to design and build an enterprise-scale CMS solution. You will have very strong Teamsite knowledge. Strong technical knowledge of Hibernate, Eclipse, Oracle and testing (you will be using JUnit so knowledge of this would be preferable). Teamsite Certification would be beneficial. Teamsite installation knowledge is desirable.

This is strange. TS certifications for a Java Developer ? Why Junit skills preferable for a TS Developer ? Why LS / SP requirement missing ? Seems J2EE/DN architects are toying with TS ? Are they trying to build custom CMS system ? Anyone?

Migrateduser

If you are expected to create complex workflows in WFM using Java for your externaltasks, then you need to be a pretty good Java developer. I am using Java, Eclipse, and I can see where JUnit would come in handy if you are building complex solutions. How else are you going to debug your code? The Java development is not trivial.

Also, why do you assume everyone will use LiveSite or SitePublisher? In this job market, the advantage is with the employer - they have a rich pool of talent to choose from with so many people out of work. You can't dwell on why you didn't get picked for one particular job - you have to keep pressing on and hope something comes your way. Timing is everything.

nipper

May be Dave is also right.

Don't say that, it will go to his head. Smiley Very Happy

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Migrateduser

Don't say that, it will go to his head.

Too late. :cool:

ccprofessional

Since we are all beating this dead horse.. I might as well chip in:

What the recruiter thinks his client wants and what the client really wants are two different things.

Adam Stoller

Since we are all beating this dead horse.. I might as well chip in:

What the recruiter thinks his client wants and what the client really wants are two different things.

Not to mention that what the client wants and what the client really needs are often not the same either...

MikeMiracle

Dear Dave, Thanks for the comment . I appreciate the first para . informative . But the 2nd para is quite ordinary.Buddy,I responded to a JD send by the recruiter, who was my friend. Had no plan to quite the current job.

Migrateduser

Dear Dave, Thanks for the comment . I appreciate the first para . informative . But the 2nd para is quite ordinary.Buddy,I responded to a JD send by the recruiter, who was my friend. Had no plan to quite the current job.

WTF? Gee Mike, can't imagine why you didn't get that job with that sparkling personality of yours...

:rolleyes:

nipper

WTF? Gee Mike, can't imagine why you didn't get that job with that sparkling personality of yours...

:rolleyes:

Hello Kettle, this is Pot, you're black...........

Migrateduser

Hello Kettle, this is Pot, you're black...........

Here we go with the racist comments again... Smiley Wink

At least I didn't come in here whining like a little girl when I didn't get one of the jobs I was applying for. And I'll have you know that I am a very charming individual in real life. Stop laughing.

MikeMiracle

If you are expected to create complex workflows in WFM using Java for your externaltasks, then you need to be a pretty good Java developer. I am using Java, Eclipse, and I can see where JUnit would come in handy if you are building complex solutions. How else are you going to debug your code? The Java development is not trivial.

Can't buy the argument that Junit skills are needed for a TS resource . Not sure how many TS geeks will be writing Junits? May be a few nutty Sr . System Engineers will do that.

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Migrateduser

Well Mike when you become a manager and defne job requirements for your team, you can ask for whatever you want. It's all about supply and demand.

msrinivas

Ah!! Let me tag on and increase my post count by one Smiley Wink

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