Why Interwoven?

There are lot of CMS and DMS available today, Vignette, Documentum Broad Vision etc. they provide similar features. Does anyone have the comparison between the leading products and which one scores over the other in what domain.

Also does anyone has a market share data for the key players.

HAM

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Hamjam

Ghoti can you please provide some info on this... nipper what happ. to your knwoledge base... n what about u smitty77

HAM

Adam Stoller

I have very little knowledge of any of the other CMS systems - therefore there is little for me to comment on. The only other CMS system I've even played with is Merant's Collage - but I've yet to do an actual project with it and so any comparison I make would not be based on actual experience.

My general opinion about software products is that they *all* have things which will please you and annoy you - there is no such thing as bug-free enterprise software and there is no such thing as a software product that, as a user, you couldn't see ways to make better.

Despite some of the issues I have with Interwoven and/or it's products - I know it best, find it comfortable to work with, and believe it does at least 75% of what I want.

--fish
Senior Consultant, Quotient Inc.
http://www.quotient-inc.com

fish

You'll probably have to go to the usual sources like Gartner and Forrester for anything half useful and have to pay for the info

Steve North
Interwoven Consultant
Sony - Europe

nipper

>There are lot of CMS and DMS available today, Vignette, Documentum Broad Vision etc. they provide similar features. Does anyone have
>the comparison between the leading products and which one scores over the other in what domain.

Unfortunately competitive information is almost always biased. IW will be happy to share information on how bad
those tools are & how good IW is.

Even reports like Forrester make assumptions to what is important and what is not. The marketplace decides.

TS has strengths in scalability (in size of projects, # of users, number of projects on a single server), and the diverse
usage model (it is not tied to anything). Those are also the downfalls, since the 1st project pays the big price (HW/SW/svc)
and then new departments jump on with small incremental costs. Since TS can work with anything, it can be
CONFIGURED to work in many environments, it makes the implementation (while straightforward and deterministic)
not simple. People like setup.exe & you are done. TS also exposes a number if issues with your own environment,
so it takes the blame for corporate momemtum (or lack there of). Not fair, but it happens.

While the competitive products you mentioned may provide some of the same features (templating, versioning, etc) I
do not see them as having the diverse implementation possibilities that TS has.

HTH

Andy

Migrateduser

We went through an almost painful, due to the level of detail, RFP, RFI, & purchase process four
years ago. We evaluated Vignette, Documentum, IBM content manager, and some other small companies
that didn't make the first cut in the RFI process.

We reviewed this information again in 1Q'04 after being heavily marketed to by IBM. We wanted determine if
we were still on target with our strategic goals, etc. It was decided that Interwoven would remain
as our WCM vendor. Our *vision* so to speak was confirmed by Gartner. Interwoven does fill about 80%
of our needs. There are small irritations recently - but that could occur with any vendor.

There are some noticeable changes in how the company responds to customers and we are somewhat unsure
of what their corporate strategic goals are and their long term company viability. We were advised that prior
to the Media Bin/ Worksite mergers their financial position was on Gartner's radar.
That may or may not be relevant to you.

That being said, it does depend what your company requirements are and how much they are willing to
spend. Hope this helps.

c

Migrateduser

Like Ghoti, I have no experience with any of the other products you mentioned, so I can only offer my bias for or against Interwoven. Because TeamSite is what pays my bills, I am all for it - it's my bread and butter. But I have some concerns about Interwoven as a company and what the future holds. I have seen some things that lead me to believe that the company is perhaps not doing as well today as it was a couple years ago. That's not based on anything concrete, just the fact that they've eliminated so many customer-based events and reduced their workforce significantly lately. I am definitely looking to get my hands in other areas just in case. And we just decided to go with Documentum over MediaBin on a project for one of our customers. So hopefully I will be involved and get to know that product a bit and branch out some.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

Migrateduser

Either way, for developers it's good business precisely because it requires so much customization to get any value. If IW does go under there is going to be a lot of work available for migrating those customizations to other platforms - I'm kinda looking forward to that.

Migrateduser

Good points - everything is relative.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

nipper

>Either way, for developers it's good business precisely because it requires so much customization to get any value.

yes, as our good friends at Depair (www.depair.com) point out:
Consulting - If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.

Migrateduser

While I totally agree, I actually prefer http://www.despair.com/meetings.html - "None of us is as dumb as all of us".

nipper

>"None of us is as dumb as all of us".

Obviously they have notworked with Smitty

Migrateduser

Looks like someone is a little jealous of my new iPod. Well, soon to be new iPod anyway.

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

Migrateduser

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/

The battery really is unacceptable - I've had one 6 months and after charging for 24 hours, immediately after unplugging it has only one or two bars in the power meter. There are class action lawsuits. Maybe they should give away a developer license instead? Then I might actually write something.

Migrateduser

Honestly, I'd rather win a AAA battery than a developer's license. To each their own...

Dave Smith
Sr. Software Engineer
Nike, Inc.
(503) 671-4238
DavidH.Smith@nike.com

nipper

Yea, right, we will see who Lissa likes more & gives the Ipod. (Lissa pick me......)

nipper

>http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/

ouch

that is brutal

$250 to replace the friggin battery ?

Checked Apple's sight, $100 to replace the battery, still rather pricy

But I will take the free one anyway.

Baeck

I did a study several months ago for a customer (using Gartner as a resource) comparing Interwoven and Documentum strictly in the Web Content Management area. I think the general pluses for Interwoven were relative ease of use, backing store efficiency, shorter implementation time, and more scalability with less hardware. Interwoven actually won the comparison quite handily.

As far as the companies themselves go, Gartner was definitely more optimistic about Documentum's future, due to the EMC's acquisition of the company, but IWOV's merger with iManage seems to have provided some additional financial stability - at least for the time being. You need to really take a close look at companies' financial history when selecting a WCM tool these days, as the amount of consolidation within the industry could cause you massive headaches down the road!

Just my two cents, and definitely not a recommendation one way or the other!

Aaron Baecker
Senior Consultant
Quotient, Inc.
http://www.Quotient-Inc.com

nipper

>You need to really take a close look at companies' financial history when selecting a WCM tool these days

That is of even marginal value. A company like CA could push out a WCM tool (repackaged from SCM)
but it will have a short life if it is not producing revenue. What % of the company is from WCM ? That
is something to consider.

Has IW specified what % TS rates in the product line ?

Andy

gzevin

this is applicable only to 1st generation IPods... as far as I know

Greg Zevin, Ph.D. Comp. Sc.
Independent Interwoven Consultant/Architect
Sydney, AU