SitePublisher with ATG.

We use ATG as our application server. Currently we use TeamSite DCTs + PTs to create our pages then when the user clicks on preview we deploy the page to web server then redirect them to the page in the webserver.

The question here is: Can we use SitePublisher and configure it with ATG and web server to be able to preview pages.

I dont have livesite/targeting installed and I am not sure if we want to use it unless it is a must to make this functionality doable.

Has any one done that. Just TeamSite+ SitePublisher + ATG.

thanks in advance and your comments are appreciated.

TS 672 SP2, RH Linux 5.3 on VM
OD 6.2.1 NO DataDeploy

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Migrateduser

I have TeamSite and ATG. But not SitePublisher. You question is interesting to me also. What little I know about SP is that it uses components that are already created or that you create on your own. But aren't those components tied to LiveSite? I don't think you can use them on and other application servers other than SP?
Someone else can probably answer our questions.

Rick Poulin

SitePub is tied to TeamSite, and so the internal JBoss (Tomcat, if you're pre-7.1) is the only app server that can be used with it. If you want to push your SitePub-authored pages to your ATG app server and send your users there to preview, you'd need to set up a LiveSite Runtime in ATG. Note however, that any components you design with externals that somehow depend on ATG features wouldn't render the same (if at all) in SitePub's wysiwyg edit mode. But then if you're using externals for runtime display of data, you'd also need LiveSite as your production rendering engine.

What's not clear to me is how you plan on using SitePub. Presumably, if you're deploying files to an app server, you've got some dynamic logic in those pages. SitePub (without LiveSite) can only be used to generate static HTML, which makes me wonder how you'd use that output in conjunction with your app server.

Migrateduser

Are there components that use LS and some that don't? If so, are you saying that the ones the don't use LS could be used without installing LS on the prod JBoss server since they only output html on deployment?

Isn't LS just a framework that you run on an app server like JBoss? Much like what we are using ATG for.

Rick Poulin

LiveSite is not a framework in the typical "Java Framework" sense. It's a mechanism for rendering content authored in SitePublisher at request time. Conversely, you can generate "static versions" of SitePublisher pages at publish time.

A component isn't "used by LiveSite" or not. It's a mechanism for capturing and rendering content. When you're capturing content from an external data source, the behaviour will differ depending on whether you're using the LiveSite runtime because generating static HTML from SitePub will obviously not update itself at request time, whereas LiveSite-rendered pages could.

brvhrt

SitePub is tied to TeamSite, and so the internal JBoss (Tomcat, if you're pre-7.1) is the only app server that can be used with it. If you want to push your SitePub-authored pages to your ATG app server and send your users there to preview, you'd need to set up a LiveSite Runtime in ATG. Note however, that any components you design with externals that somehow depend on ATG features wouldn't render the same (if at all) in SitePub's wysiwyg edit mode. But then if you're using externals for runtime display of data, you'd also need LiveSite as your production rendering engine.

What's not clear to me is how you plan on using SitePub. Presumably, if you're deploying files to an app server, you've got some dynamic logic in those pages. SitePub (without LiveSite) can only be used to generate static HTML, which makes me wonder how you'd use that output in conjunction with your app server.

Thanks a lot Rick for your informative reply here. Per your question regarding how I would like to use SP, I would like to be able to edit and preview the pages on Sitepub, Our pages are mostly static if not all of them are. I would like to know if I could use TeamSite + SP + ATG WITH OUT LiveSite if possible. We are going to move to 721 soon, so that is great if SP in 721 can be configured with ATG to render the content according to ATG. I hope I am making sense here and your reply and others is very much appreciated.

Rick Poulin

I know very little about ATG or how you'd use it, but again, TeamSite+SitePub can only run within the IWOV-bundled servlet container (JBoss in 7.x). Assuming ATG has some kind of external connector (web services?) that you could connect your SitePub components to, you'd be writing Java externals to provide that connection point and retrieve whatever e-commerce information you need. That information would only be current while you're editing/previewing the page, and would be cemented at publish time (in an architecture that doesn't include LiveSite). If, however, ATG requires your Java app to be running within its own servlet container, then I think your only option would be to build the connection piece that exposes ATG's data to the outside.

The part I don't understand about your architecture, is that if you're generating static content, why are you pushing it out to an application server at all?