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Tasks without tasklists

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Hello allI'm working on a new document. The 'create' html contains certain fields which show allow the creator to set an assignment to a user uppon creation. When the document is created I want to set an assignment to a user specified in the fields with the details also given in the fields.I was thinking of using the task object somehow. I've only just started looking, but so far, I don't see a way of creating a task without allready having a task list. I don't want this, the task must be in my document.Using the task object is very ugly. Is there any other way of putting things in the Assignments page of a specified user? If anyone has any other ideas, they are al very welcome.Thanks in advanceYs

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Message from Nair, Krishnankutty N. via eLinkWelcome to the world of workflows anything a task/tasklist can doworkflows can do better.In fact it can be most re-used you basically spin off 'instances' of aworkflow.In the case of tasks/tasklists you have to re-crteate it formscratch if I'm not mistakenThanks MuchKrishnankutty N Nair 918-661-5824Learn more about EDMS powered by Livelink athttp://edms.conoco.net/edms.htm-----Original Message-----From: eLink Discussion: Development Discussion[mailto:development@elinkkc.opentext.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:41 AMTo: eLink RecipientSubject: Tasks without tasklistsTasks without tasklistsPosted by Zeti, Stavroula on 11/09/2004 08:39 AMHello allI'm working on a new document. The 'create' html contains certain fieldswhich show allow the creator to set an assignment to a user upponcreation. When the document is created I want to set an assignment to a userspecified in the fields with the details also given in the fields.I was thinking of using the task object somehow. I've only just startedlooking, but so far, I don't see a way of creating a task withoutallready having a task list. I don't want this, the task must be in mydocument.Using the task object is very ugly. Is there any other way of puttingthings in the Assignments page of a specified user? If anyone has anyother ideas, they are al very welcome.Thanks in advanceYs[To reply to this thread, use your normal E-mail reply function.]============================================================Discussion: Development Discussionhttps://knowledge.opentext.com/knowledge/livelink.exe?func=ll&objId=786303&objAction=viewLivelink Server:https://knowledge.opentext.com/knowledge/livelink.exe

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Nair,First of all, thank you for replying. However, I was wondering if you could help me some more. Iif I HAVE to use a tasklist and a task, do you know of a way of creating a task in a known tasklist programmatically?Assuming I drop the task idea and go with the workflow, do I have to work with an existing workflow? If so, if there a method (InitiateWorkFlow() or something) which I can call to initiate the workflow when my document is created? Keep in mind that I want to specify in the creation page which user I want to assign the document to. Is this possible with workflows? I thought that in a workflow the user that gets the assignment is predifined when it is painted.Thanks in advanceYs

Krishnankutty_Nair

If I were you I will abandon task and tasklists completely.I am assuming a lot of things here for want of clear cut requirements.You may have to re-adjust at design phase anywaysa)A document being created/modified happens to be the trigger if I am not mistaken.b)Depending on your choice of implementation you can try one of the many ways although LAPI looks kind of capable or even Oscript.c)A cron job has to be listening for the folder/container of your choice listening for new and updates happening to child items.The cron can be done thru pl/sql,filesytem object also if you are external although LAPI affords you a one place stop.d)The parent folder needs some kind of category/ attribute structure that can pull in a username in livelink.If you know enough programming on document metadata and can get an userid otherwise thru COM dll's then you may not need livelink metadata.e)You will create a simple workflow map that does routing to the user in qn and the business logic of what needs to happen next.f)If your workflow works as intended but all you need is change the participants dynmically now you are back to LAPILAPI Listens->LAPI Initiates Workflow->Workflow Progresses->What need to Happen Next can possibly be done by LAPI or the itemhandler step or robot step or event scriptsEverything that you can accomplish thru the GUI LAPI can do so it goes without saying ,yes it is programmatically possible tocreate tasklists/tasks.If you can discuss the problem in hand clearly then others may also similar or better choices.

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Nair, Again, thanks, but I'm either not getting you or I haven't explained correctly what I need. I am extending the existing compound doc item by orphaning its ll and web nodes and modifying them. I want certain things to be happening uppon creation of the document. i.e. after I press the "Add Item" button on the 'create' page. I don't understand what LAPI has to to with this. Isn't LAPI ment to be an API to access LL from an external program? Since I'm dealing with an internal LL item, don't I have to use the SDK and Oscript?I was thinking that I have to embede some code in the Action-Create2 script of the WebNode of my item. With this code I want to assign to a specified user a task which contains the item as an attachment. So the question is: how do I do this? Eventually, I must use a task and task-list because we require the task-list functionality. So idealy, the new code in the Action-Create2 script should create a new task-list, add it to the newly-created item as a child and add a task to that list. If all this is done in Action-Create2, then it will be done in one step uppon creation. Now, if the above is indeed what you have understood then I'm abit confused at the fact that a listener should be listening t the container. I didn't even know that Livelink had listeners to be honest. Is this a listener internal to Livelink or is will it run on the OS and use the OS filesystem. In any case I would rather work with Oscript only, so is there a way to set the listener using just the builder? I definately want to avoid using a listener that works outside of Livelink.I realize this may be getting annoying, but if you know of a source where I can read about how to create tasks and task-lists with Oscript please tell me. Also, if you think that the listener is the only choice, could you please point to some source for that?Once again, thanks in advance!Ys

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Message from Nair, Krishnankutty N. via eLinkYou are absolutely right.If you choose Oscript that is the best courseof action.Once again I did not underastnd the reqs correctly.I think youhave it correctly.I never knew you had control over an event or atrigger.You can pretty very well do what you are intending to do.You just have to use createObjectEx calls in your code for all the otherobjects and populate the user .All the talk about listeners,cronjobs were mentioned thinking that youdid not have control on the container.Thanks MuchKrishnankutty N Nair 918-661-5824Learn more about EDMS powered by Livelink athttp://edms.conoco.net/edms.htm-----Original Message-----From: eLink Discussion: Development Discussion[mailto:development@elinkkc.opentext.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:13 PMTo: eLink RecipientSubject: Why LAPI?Why LAPI?Posted by Zeti, Stavroula on 11/09/2004 05:09 PMNair, Again, thanks, but I'm either not getting you or I haven't explainedcorrectly what I need. I am extending the existing compound doc item by orphaning its ll andweb nodes and modifying them. I want certain things to be happeninguppon creation of the document. i.e. after I press the "Add Item" buttonon the 'create' page. I don't understand what LAPI has to to with this. Isn't LAPI ment to bean API to access LL from an external program? Since I'm dealing with aninternal LL item, don't I have to use the SDK and Oscript?I was thinking that I have to embede some code in the Action-Create2script of the WebNode of my item. With this code I want to assign to aspecified user a task which contains the item as an attachment. So the question is: how do I do this? Eventually, I must use a task andtask-list because we require the task-list functionality. So idealy, thenew code in the Action-Create2 script should create a new task-list, addit to the newly-created item as a child and add a task to that list. Ifall this is done in Action-Create2, then it will be done in one stepuppon creation. Now, if the above is indeed what you have understood then I'm abitconfused at the fact that a listener should be listening t thecontainer. I didn't even know that Livelink had listeners to be honest.Is this a listener internal to Livelink or is will it run on the OS anduse the OS filesystem. In any case I would rather work with Oscriptonly, so is there a way to set the listener using just the builder? Idefinately want to avoid using a listener that works outside ofLivelink.I realize this may be getting annoying, but if you know of a sourcewhere I can read about how to create tasks and task-lists with Oscriptplease tell me. Also, if you think that the listener is the only choice,could you please point to some source for that?Once again, thanks in advance!Ys[To reply to this thread, use your normal E-mail reply function.]============================================================Topic: Tasks without tasklistshttps://knowledge.opentext.com/knowledge/livelink.exe?func=ll&objId=3747439&objAction=viewDiscussion: Development Discussionhttps://knowledge.opentext.com/knowledge/livelink.exe?func=ll&objId=786303&objAction=viewLivelink Server:https://knowledge.opentext.com/knowledge/livelink.exe

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

I realize that createObjectEx is a cunstruct of LAPI. However, I couldn't find the same in Oscript. Do you know of something equivalent in Oscript? As you said, if it can be done with LAPI, is should be doable through the builder and Oscript. Any ideas?Thanks for yous patience!Ys

Magnus_S_(novnoruser_-_(deleted))

In standard Livelink you have a module called inbox Orphan it and you can register what ever thing you want in the Assignement list .....This LAPI stuff mentioned in this thread I feel is just some BS taht I can't follow ...Check the builder documentation \builder\documentation\ModuleIndex\webnode\InboxObject.htmlLivelink Module Index : Webnode : Inbox: InboxObjectHow To Use it: 1. Make an orphan into your ospace 2. Fill out 'GetItems()' script to return whatever you think belongs in the users inbox. 3. Set .fEnabled true. 4. Restart builder or run __Init() 5. EnjoySo you don't need to have a task list to get something in the inbox...RegardsMagnus Salgomagnus.salgo@swedemail.se

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Thanx for that, makes things quite simple! Unfortunatelly, in the end I do have to use a task-list!!! (not my choice). Apparently we need some functionalities from there. So, would you happen to know of a way perform the following on a custom item's creation: - create a new task-list, add is as a child to the custom item - create a new task, add it to the newly created listI've thought of using the CreateNode method in DAPI can you think of a better, higher-level way of doing this?Thanx in advance!Ys

Magnus_S_(novnoruser_-_(deleted))

I think they do it when you create a new Project Node ....

Hans_Stoop_(hstoop_(Delete)_1579932)

Message from Hans Stoop <hstoop@opentext.com> via eLink

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One of doing this is to get the webNode of a task list and call the create2 function of the tasklist.

You need to make a copy of your request and change the value of some of the parameters.

You can call the create2 function by WebNode.('action-Create2')(...)

Similar for the task.

Be sure to use the right parent object ID.

Hans

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Thanx, would you happen to know... Posted by ap_stavzeti (Zeti, Stavroula) on 11/09/2004 06:37 PM
In reply to: A lot BS ..... in the inbox ;-) Posted by NOVNORUser on 11/09/2004 06:07 PM

Thanx for that, makes things quite simple! Unfortunatelly, in the end I do have to use a task-list!!! (not my choice). Apparently we need some functionalities from there.

So, would you happen to know of a way perform the following on a custom item's creation:
- create a new task-list, add is as a child to the custom item
- create a new task, add it to the newly created list
I've thought of using the CreateNode method in DAPI can you think of a better, higher-level way of doing this?

Thanx in advance!

Ys

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Thank you Hans. I had thought of doing this, but I couldn't think of a way to abtain the webnode. Globalizing it would probably be a bad idea right? Is there a standard method which returns the webnode of an item? Thanks in advanceYs

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Object webNodes = $WebNode.WebNodesObject mywebnode = webNodes.GetItem( 'the_type_here')

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That is he one. And you need to use $TypeTaskList to pass the correct subtype to the function.

In the Tools menu of the builder you have the entry 'Application Globals'. If You scroll down to $Type you get all the subtypes defined in your system.

Hans

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Sorry, found it... Posted by ap_stavzeti (Zeti, Stavroula) on 11/10/2004 05:51 AM
In reply to: Getting the webnode Posted by ap_stavzeti (Zeti, Stavroula) on 11/10/2004 05:36 AM

Object webNodes = $WebNode.WebNodes
Object mywebnode = webNodes.GetItem( 'the_type_here')

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Hans, I have tries calling the Action-create2 method of the tasklist webnode. The list is indeed created but there isa problem. I call it as follows: newParm = Assoc.Copy(parm) taskListWebNode.('Action-Create2')(newParm) The problem is that even though I pass the newParm, parm is also changed! This is a VERY weird pass by reference issue. Furthermore, by changing parm, response is also changed (because response=parm.response). All this is very wierd and annoying and I think this is the cause of the following problem:the browse page of my item can not be displayed because the response.data assoc does not contain the necessary fields!Do you Hans, or anyone else know a solution for this problem? I'm not even able to stor parm in a temp feature, this is also changed when I call the function!ThanksYs

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I assume the problem is that the Assoc.Copy does a shallow copy, e.g. it only copies the direct fields and not the indirect fields.

Try using $Kernel.DataTools.DeepCopy.

Hans

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More problems Posted by ap_stavzeti (Zeti, Stavroula) on 11/10/2004 09:55 AM
In reply to: RE Sorry, found it... Posted by hstoop (Stoop, Hans) on 11/10/2004 06:03 AM

Hans, I have tries calling the Action-create2 method of the tasklist webnode. The list is indeed created but there isa
problem. I call it as follows:
newParm = Assoc.Copy(parm)
taskListWebNode.('Action-Create2')(newParm)
The problem is that even though I pass the newParm, parm is also changed! This is a VERY weird pass by reference issue. Furthermore, by changing parm, response is also changed (because response=parm.response). All this is very wierd and annoying and I think this is the cause of the following problem:
the browse page of my item can not be displayed because the response.data assoc does not contain the necessary fields!

Do you Hans, or anyone else know a solution for this problem? I'm not even able to stor parm in a temp feature, this is also changed when I call the function!

Thanks

Ys

ATHANASSIOS_FAMELIARIS

Thanks, but how on earth do you find all these funtions and methodologies. $Kernel.DataTools.DeepCopy isn't even in the builder documentation. I suppose it has to do with experience but i'd like to say here that Opentext's documentation is amateurish in my opinion.Ys

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Message from Hans Stoop <hstoop@opentext.com> via eLink

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Well, there is a search in the builder :-).

Most of the generic utility functions are in the Kernel and LLIAPI OSpaces.

You can also do a search for object names containing 'pkg' or 'util'.

Hans

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Thanks again! Posted by ap_stavzeti (Zeti, Stavroula) on 11/10/2004 03:09 PM
In reply to: RE More problems Posted by hstoop (Stoop, Hans) on 11/10/2004 10:46 AM

Thanks, but how on earth do you find all these funtions and methodologies. $Kernel.DataTools.DeepCopy isn't even in the builder documentation.

I suppose it has to do with experience but i'd like to say here that Opentext's documentation is amateurish in my opinion.

Ys

Magnus_S_(novnoruser_-_(deleted))

Suggestion is read what is thereTry to find code that is doing the sameAsk questions here and people like Hans can point you in the right direction ...... a sad fact is that the documentation is never updated .....